Assyrians want to reunite with Chaldean Catholic Church, and, thereby, Rome

A relatively small schismatic sect, but every one of the eastern Churches that comes back is a sign of hope for the West.
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4 responses to “Assyrians want to reunite with Chaldean Catholic Church, and, thereby, Rome

  1. “A relatively small schismatic sect, but every one of the eastern Churches that comes back is a sign of hope for the West”.

    What do you mean by your statement above? For your info. The Holy Apostolic Catholic(Universal)Assyrian Church of The East is an Apostolic Church which was founded in the first century A.D. and the Assyrians were the first to accept The Lord’s message of deliverance when first in Nineveh and later on through Christ in the Assyrian Urhai(the city of life) known also as Edessa in Greek and Urfa today in Turkey.

    The Assyrian King Abgar V,Kng of Urhai has a famous letter which was a correspondence between him and Christ which made the Assyrians the first believers outside of Jerusalem.

    But if you want to talk about schisms you have to be fair and say that the Vatican through its missionaries were responsible for the schisms which it brought to the Eastern Churches dividing them as follows:The Church of the East was divided with a chaldean branch created which follows the Vatican.

    The Syrian Orthodox Church which is part of the Church of the East was also divided and a Syrian Catholic branch was created.Same was done to the Coptic Orthodox Church and the Armenian Orthodox Church.

    For your info. also the most damage which was done to the Church of the East came at the hands of the Vatican and till today the Vatican didn’t apologize for what it did and is still standing against the Church of the East trying to divide it yet again with the latest schism through this former bishop.

    If the Vatican is sincere it should have admitted to what it did through its missionaries and before that as well not work with those that it created to create more schisms within the Eastern Churches.

    The Church of the East has always been independent and its Patriarch holds the same seat as the Pope and as such its Patriarch is a Pope term wise thus it should be respected as such and there shouldn’t be any interference in its internal affairs.This is not how Christianity is and this isn’t how closeness with Christian Churches is.

    The Church of The East was never a splinter of any Church,certainly not of the Roman Catholic Church but the Vatican has always meddled in the internal affairs of other Churches wanting to force them into coming under the Vatican’s umbrella which is wrong and those who want today to repeat the split which created what is called the Chaldean Church in 1552 are lost.

  2. John C. Hathaway

    Thank you for your reply. I’m just relaying something interesting I read on another site, which had noted that this is not being covered much.

    As I understand it, this is one Assyrian diocese in the US, which is like a split from a split from a split of the Chaldean Church, so, yes, it’s a relatively small group.

    As for the exact history of the Eastern Churches,it’s all very confusing to a Westerner like me, although it’s pretty clear that there are those who recognize Papal primacy and those who do not.

    Regardless of the exact history of who split off from whom when, anyone who does not accept Papal primacy is in schism from Rome.

    I don’t care if you’re talking about the Syrian Orthodox Church, the Greek Orthodox Church, the Coptic Church, the Society of St. Pius X, or the “Old Catholic Church,” a schism is a schism.

    But a schism with apostolic succession and valid sacraments is far better than an outright heretical group.

  3. “As I understand it, this is one Assyrian diocese in the US, which is like a split from a split from a split of the Chaldean Church, so, yes, it’s a relatively small group.”

    Your understanding is wrong because before 1552 there was no such a thing as the Chaldean Church and those who are today following that splinter were all Assyrians and part of the Church of The East.I don’t know where you got your info. from that this new splinter is from and from and from the Chaldean Church which is itself a splinter from the Church of the East.Does the tree split from the branch or the branch split from the tree.But I don’t blame you because many lies have been told by some of those in the Chaldean Church and that is their way in trying to save face because they don’t want to admit the truth.

    The Church of the East as I said before was founded in the first century A.D. and the Chaldean Church was founded by roman catholic missionaries in 1552.You do the mathe.

    The Holy Apostolic Catholic(Universal) Assyrian Church of the East doesn’t recognize papal supremacy because its Patriarch’s authority is equal to that of the pope and it is a shame that Patriarchs of other eastern churches feel so small that they forget their own authority and they recognize the pope as their supreme when they are all supposed to be equals.Didn’t Christ say that? But this is the Vatican’s plot they want to break up all the Churches or they want them to recognize the pope’s supremacy.The Pope’s official title is the Bishop of Rome and as such hierarchy wise he is less in rank than other Patriarchs but within the Roman Catholic Church he is higher than other bishops that’s all.

    Let me tell you something,I feel sorry for many Roman Catholics because they don’t know the first thing about what the seat of Rome did.There is no regardless,there is a history and responsibility and the Vatican is responsible for a sin which is splitting Christian Churches and breaking The Lord’s words.

    Finally,the Vatican is responsible for all the schisms and no one else and as I mentioned before those Assyrians who left their Holy Church to follow a splinter Church are lost and we feel sorry for them.

  4. John C. Hathaway

    Anonymous,

    It would be nice if you at least signed some identifier so I could dialogue with you better, but thanks for coming back, either way.

    Let’s table that issue for a second.

    What is your church’s attitude towards children at the liturgy?

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